什么是猎人道德和什么是猎人价值?

xhunter · 发表于 2008-4-23 16:26:51

请表达你们的想法. 谢谢

xhunter · 发表于 2008-4-25 09:28:10

A little disappointed to me. 110 people viewed this topic and none give a respond! Is there no Ethics to talk about?

在华人圈子里。没有狩猎道德可言？

Yes, hunting might involve killing, but killing is not a bad thing. We eat chicken everyday, is that killing chicken for food is bad? No, we need the nutrient. That is how we survive.

There are religious reasons here that people might think differently. It is all from this idea of respecting everything as equal. Specially Buddhism, but even the most respected buddhist Lama of Tibet eat meat. That is how they survive in harsh environment. Our ancestor hunt to survive, that is how human species out live other species.

Antis had all their ideas from this emotional feeling of "UNCONDITIONAL LOVING". When talk about emotion, then there is no room for reasons.

Is this one direction unconditional loving good? look at what those animal lovers did to their pets. They dressed them up. cut their hair, put shoes on their claws. lock them up at home when they are away, and feed them with fatty food that their size look like a balloon. Are they respecting the animal? no! they try to make them as human. they don't respect them as who they are.

So is this one direction unconditional loving good? no! there should be a BALANCE. With hunting we avoid animal from over populated. so most of them dont' have to starve to death. with hunting, we avoid accident on the road from over populated animals. With hunting, we managed our animal population. We don't extinct them. we help manage them.

Well, I don't want to get carried away too much. I should keep it on ethic and value.

So what exactly is hunting. From Wikipedia.com, the definition for hunting is:

Hunting is the practice of pursuing animals for food, recreation or trade.

I personally, take a different view. I think hunting is for food only. This is personal opinion only.

For those kill for recreation, their objective is fun. most of them are trophy hunters or pest controllers. like those who kill ground hogs to save their cows.

For those kill for trades, they are in business. their objective is money. So they trap, they kill, and they farm. I called them money makers not hunters. Like those people kill for fur, and farm chicken.

So what exactly is hunters Ethic?

It is a code, a standard. Is following the law enough? That is the mimimun of course. If we go outside the law. we get into trouble. But we can do more, we should not waste our resources. we should not polute our environments. (so people bring your garbage home or put them in the garbage bin.) WE HELP MANAGE AND PROTECT.

so what is hunters value?

1. We play a roll in manage our natural resources.
2. we play a roll so our future generation can keep our heritage.
3. we protect, yes, protect, our natural resources. lot of hunters volunteer countless hours and money to pretect our natural resources. For example, consider duck unlimited, we volunteer to clean the duck box every year. We re-introduce the wild turkey back to canada. it was extincted many years ago. now they are back. Consider pheasant forever program. we restock fishes and funded fish hatcheries.

4. We educate. So we can be a responsible hunters. the death rate from hunting is lower then car.
5. We participates in local bylaw meetings, and vote to protect our natural resources.

That is how we create value.

Ok. I am done. Can somebody translate this into Chinese. I don't know how to type Chinese. Thanks

老上 · 发表于 2008-4-25 10:25:27

题目甚好！我也希望大家从各个方面来探讨。将同胞们的狩猎水平，操守等。一起迈向新的境界；

这里，先用网上翻译工具：英文和我一样不好网友。凑合着看吧：

beter than nothing

http://translate.google.com/translate_t?langpair=en|zh-CN

有点失望给我。有110人，看这个题目，并没有作出回应！有没有道德好谈的？

在华人圈子里。没有狩猎道德可言？

是的，狩猎可能涉及杀人，但杀人是不是一件坏事。我们每天吃的鸡，是造成鸡的食物是坏？没有，我们需要的养分。这就是我们如何生存。

有宗教的原因在这里，人们可能会认为不同的看法。这是所有从这个构思，尊重一切作为平等的。特别是佛教，但即使是最受人尊敬的佛教达赖喇嘛西藏吃肉。这是他们如何生存在恶劣环境中。我们的祖先狩猎的生存，这是人类如何辣实弹其他spicies 。

反了所有他们的想法从这个情绪化的感觉， “无条件的爱” 。当谈论情感，然后是没有余地的季节。

这是一个方向无条件的爱好？看看那些动物爱好者没有他们的宠物。他们穿着他们。削减他们的头发，把鞋对他们的爪子。锁起来，在家里当他们离开时，和饲料，他们与高脂肪食物，他们的大小像一个气球。他们尊重动物？否！他们设法使他们作为人。他们不尊重他们，作为他们是谁。

因此，这是一个方向无条件的爱好？否！应该有一个平衡。与狩猎动物，我们避免从人口。因此，他们大多不用有饿死。与狩猎，我们避免意外发生在道路上，从人口密集的动物。与狩猎，我们管理我们的动物人口。我们不灭绝他们。我们帮助管理他们。

好，我不想让运走太多。我要保持它在伦理和价值。

因此，究竟是什么打猎。从wikipedia.com ，定义为狩猎是：

狩猎的做法是追求动物，食物，消遣或贸易。

我个人，采取有不同的看法。我认为，狩猎是食物而已。这是个人意见而已。

对于那些杀人为娱乐，他们的目标是乐趣。他们大多是奖杯猎人或害虫控制器。像那些杀死地面猪，以挽救他们的奶牛。

对于那些杀人的行业，他们在业务上。他们的目的就是金钱。所以他们的陷阱，他们杀害，他们的农场。我呼吁他们钱的决策者没有猎人。像那些人杀死毛皮，和农场鸡。

因此，究竟是什么猎人伦理？

这是一个代码，一个标准。以下是法律是否足够？这是mimimun当然。如果我们在法律之外。我们进入麻烦。但我们可以做更多的，我们不应该浪费我们的资源。我们不应该污染我们的环境。（所以人们把您的垃圾在家中或把他们在果皮箱）我们可以帮助管理和保护。

因此，什么是猎人的价值呢？

1 。我们发挥了唱名在管理我们的天然资源。
2 。我们发挥了唱名，使我们的下一代，能够保持我们的文物。
3 。我们保护好，是好，保护好，我们的天然资源。很多猎人义工无数的时间和金钱来pretect我们的天然资源。举例来说，考虑鸭无限，我们的义工清洁鸭方块每年。我们重新引入野生土耳其返回加拿大。这是extincted多年前。现在，它们又回来了！考虑雉鸡永远程序。我们restock鱼类和资助的鱼孵化场。

4 。我们的教育。因此，我们可以成为一个负责任的猎人。死亡率从狩猎较低，然后汽车。
5 。我们参加了当地的附例会议，并投票，以保护我们的天然资源。

这就是我们如何创造价值。

好的。我这样做。可以有人翻译成中文本。我不知道如何键入中文。谢谢

爬手 · 发表于 2008-4-25 13:23:27

Don't be disappointed, xhunter. I think, before you can carry on such a "big" topic in deep, you have to "win" hearts from people first, and let them understand you, trust you, like to share ideas with you.

actually, you have won my heart from all your posts. I like your style. So I do the translation for you, as follows. Please do correct me for any errors.

A little disappointed to me. 110 people viewed this topic and none give a respond! Is there no Ethics to talk about?
[ 我有点失望，在110人次阅读了此帖后，居然没有人回应！难道真的没有(狩猎的)道德规范可探讨吗]

在华人圈子里。没有狩猎道德可言？

Yes, hunting might involve killing, but killing is not a bad thing. We eat chicken everyday, is that killing chicken for food is bad?
No, we need the nutrient. That is how we survive.
[诚然，狩猎就意味着杀生，但杀生并不是一件坏事。我们每天都吃鸡，那么杀鸡以裹腹是一件坏事吗？不是的，我们需要养分，并赖以为生。]

There are religious reasons here that people might think differently. It is all from this idea of respecting everything as equal. Specially Buddhism, but even the most respected buddhist Lama of Tibet eat meat. That is how they survive in harsh environment. Our ancestor hunt to survive, that is how human spicy out live other spicies.
[由于宗教的缘由，人们对此会有不同的观点。它们都源至于对万物平等原则的尊重，特别是佛教理论。但即便是最受人尊重的西藏喇嘛也食肉，并籍以在荒芜的环境中生存。我们的祖先以狩猎为生，这也是人类的生存能力优于别的物种的原因。]

Antis had all their ideas from this emotional feeling of "UNCONDITIONAL LOVING". When talk about emotion, then there is no room for reasons.
[所有与此相悖的观点都来自于人们情感上的“无条件的爱”。但是，当情感胜于理智时，我们也就没有必要再探讨这个话题了。]

Is this one direction unconditional loving good? look at what those animal lovers did to their pets. They dressed them up. cut their hair, put shoes on their claws. lock them up at home when they are away, and feed them with fatty food that their size look like a balloon. Are they respecting the animal? no! they try to make them as human. they don't respect them as who they are.
[一厢情愿的“无条件的爱”真的好吗？请看一下喜爱动物人士对他们的宠物的所作所为：他们为它们穿衣，剪毛，穿鞋；他们外出时，会将宠物锁起来；他们用工业食品喂养它们，以至于它们都显得臃肿笨拙。请问他们真的在尊重动物吗？他们只是想用人类的方式去对待它们，而没有以动物的方式去尊重他们。]

So is this one direction unconditional loving good? no! there should be a BALANCE. With hunting we avoid animal from over populated. so most of them dont' have to starve to death. with hunting, we avoid accident on the road from over populated animals. With hunting, we managed our animal population. We don't extinct them. we help manage them.
[由此可见，一厢情愿的“无条件的爱”真的好吗？不是的！万物的生存都遵循平衡守则。通过狩猎，我们可以避免动物的过度繁殖，以保证它们的大部分有足够的食物而不必饿死。另一方面，也减少了由于动物的过度繁殖而导致的交通事故。通过狩猎，我们控制动物的数量，但不会灭绝它们。]

Well, I don't want to get carried away too much. I should keep it on ethic and value.
[好了，我并不想扯得太远。我们还是回到道德和价值这一主题。]

So what exactly is hunting. From Wikipedia.com, the definition for hunting is:
[那么，究竟什么是狩猎呢？以下是Wikipedia.com对”狩猎“的定义：]

Hunting is the practice of pursuing animals for food, recreation or trade.
[狩猎是以食物、娱乐、交易作为目的而追击动物的一种行为。]

I personally, take a different view. I think hunting is for food only. This is personal opinion only.
[对此，我个人有不同的观点。我认为狩猎只是为了食物。这只是我的个人观点。]

For those kill for recreation, their objective is fun. most of them are trophy hunters or pest controllers. like those who kill ground hogs to save their cows.
[对于为娱乐而狩猎的人们，他们是在寻求乐趣，大多数都以猎物作为奖品，或者为了控制害虫，比如为了保护奶牛而猎杀土拨鼠。]

For those kill for trades, they are in business. their objective is money. So they trap, they kill, and they farm. I called them money makers not hunters. Like those people kill for fur, and farm chicken.
[对于为交易而狩猎的人们，他们是在做生意。他们的目标是钱。为此，他们下陷井，杀戮，放牧。我称他们为生意人，而不是猎人。那些为皮毛而猎杀、或大规模养鸡的人就是典型的生意人。]

So what exactly is hunters Ethic?
[那么，究竟什么是猎人的道德呢？]

It is a code, a standard. Is following the law enough? That is the mimimun of course. If we go outside the law. we get into trouble. But we can do more, we should not waste our resources. we should not polute our environments. (so people bring your garbage home or put them in the garbage bin.) WE HELP MANAGE AND PROTECT.
[这是一个法典，一个标准。那是否遵循法律就足够了呢？这当然是最低的标准。如果不受法律的约束，我们只会自找麻烦。但我们可以做得更好一些，比如不要浪费我们的资源，不要污染环境（所以我们应该垃圾带回家或放入垃圾桶内）。我们应该为管理及保护环境作出贡献。]

so what is hunters value?
[那么，究竟什么是猎人的价值呢？]

1. We play a roll in manage our natural resources.
[1. 为管理自然资源出一分力.]

2. we play a roll so our future generation can keep our heritage.
[2. 为保护我们子孙后代的遗产出一分力.]

3. we protect, yes, protect, our natural resources. lot of hunters volunteer countless hours and money to pretect our natural resources. For example, consider duck unlimited, we volunteer to clean the duck box every year. We re-introduce the wild turkey back to canada. it was extincted many years ago. now they are back. Consider pheasant forever program. we restock fishes and funded fish hatcheries.
[3. 保护（我们确实是在保护）自然资源。许多猎人为保护自然资源无偿付出了大量的时间和金钱。比如，想想漫天遍野的鸭子，但我们的志愿者每年都去清洗”鸭箱"；我们将野火鸡重新引进回加拿大。它们已经灭绝很多年了，而今天它们又重现了; 想想野鸡永存计划；我们为保护鱼的产卵所集资，籍以提高活鱼的储量。]

4. We educate. So we can be a responsible hunters. the death rate from hunting is lower then car.
[4. 学习. 这样我们才能成为一个负责任的猎人，事实上，狩猎的死亡率比交通事故的死亡率低。]

5. We participates in local bylaw meetings, and vote to protect our natural resources.
[5. 参加当地的法律规章会议，并为保护自然资源投票]

That is how we create value.
[这是我们创造价值的方法]

dali · 发表于 2008-4-25 15:34:19

其实做猎人的道德和做人的道德是有很大关系的，或者说基本上是一致的。如果一个人平时做人就诚实，善良，私心少一点，考虑别人的感受多一些，本性好的人，基本上做一个猎人也差不到哪里去。

xhunter · 发表于 2008-4-25 19:45:13

Thank you 老上, thank you 爬手. I really appreciate your helps.

And the google translation tool is excellent! I should of find it out earlier. So I don't have to copy and paste. Anyway it is not too late.

Wild Turkey 野火鸡 is native in Canada. groundhog is 土拨鼠.

The only thing that i have missing is that we have setup a scholarship fund for Wild life research. It is an annual scholarship for university wildlife biology students.

谢谢老上，谢谢你爬手。我真的很感谢您的帮助。

Google翻译工具非常好！我要是早些找到它。我就不用复制和粘贴。无论如何，现在还为时不晚。

Wild Turkey (野火鸡) 是加拿大土生。Groundhog是土拨鼠。

只有一件事我忘了，我们设置了一个野生生物研究奖学金。给大学野生生物研究学生。

爬手 · 发表于 2008-4-25 20:33:51

xhunter
...
Wild Turkey 野火鸡 is native in Canada. groundhog is 土拨鼠.

谢谢您的更正。

Jerry · 发表于 2008-4-25 22:21:07

在我看来，遵纪守法是猎德的基本表现。

享受狩猎乐趣也有几个阶段：

第一阶段：初学者打到猎物，享受成就感；

第二阶段：提高者打到难打的猎物，或采取更高级的方法打猎，享受挑战的乐趣；

第三阶段：终极者悟到狩猎的真正内涵，从点滴小事中享受狩猎的乐趣。

本人愚见，请多指教

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什么是猎人道德 和 什么是猎人价值?

什么是猎人道德和什么是猎人价值?