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想咨询一下北方NORINCO CAL.5.56 NATO能不能在栓动步枪上使用

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发表于 2014-12-15 08:27:19 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
刚进了一把北方产的JW-105, 想买一箱1120 发的NORINCO cal.5.56 NATO,但店家说这种子弹只能用在AR等半自动上,不能用在栓动上,因为火药量大,威力大,会有危险.

不知道有没有有经验的大侠帮忙看看说法对不对.北方弹用55 GRAIN的铅芯FMJ弹头,铜壳BOXER的底火...

谢谢!
发表于 2014-12-15 11:34:31 | 显示全部楼层
应该可以用吧。还有店家是不是说反了?!应该是栓动枪用的弹药不一定能够用在半自动上,因为半自动由于是自动供弹对弹药的尺寸和装药量有要求,栓动的好像没有那么严格。
发表于 2014-12-15 18:32:15 | 显示全部楼层
.223弹要注意弹丸重和枪管缠度的匹配。AR的铝机匣承受高压能力一般所以saami规定膛压上限到45000磅,手动比ar自动枪应该更坚固能承受更高的膛压
发表于 2014-12-15 23:56:53 | 显示全部楼层
一般都是拴动才能承受高堂压
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-16 04:14:56 | 显示全部楼层
非常感谢楼上几位大侠的意见, 我也认为栓动没有半自动那么挑子弹,应该比半自动能承受更大的膛压.

再次感谢!
发表于 2014-12-16 11:02:07 | 显示全部楼层
tullamo  308 150g 我用在拴动步枪上就还好 用在半自动就炸镗 2发一发炸镗一发子弹尾巴裂开
发表于 2014-12-16 13:27:10 | 显示全部楼层
栓动用子弹关键在屁股。
只要屁股够结实,股沟够深,就能退壳,就不怕。
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-16 16:05:31 | 显示全部楼层
xin421
栓动用子弹关键在屁股。
只要屁股够结实,股沟够深,就能退壳,就不怕。


hehe,老兄的说法生动形象,受益匪浅 :lol:
发表于 2014-12-17 21:05:27 | 显示全部楼层
JW105可以打军用弹,你以后有疑问就先看枪身上的标记,清楚写着可以打什么蛋,一般可以打军用弹的步枪就可以打223子弹,军用弹膛压更大!
发表于 2014-12-18 11:12:33 | 显示全部楼层
楼上的各位大侠,说的很对!赞!
发表于 2014-12-19 22:36:53 | 显示全部楼层
JW-105 是223口径= =
打不了5.56 。。。。。。。。。。。。店家没说错啊
发表于 2014-12-20 21:12:50 | 显示全部楼层
兄弟,看清楚枪身上的铭文嘛
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-21 13:51:10 | 显示全部楼层
枪身上的铭文是.223 rem.

刚在WIKI上查到的:
The .223 Remington is a cartridge with almost the same external dimensions as the 5.56×45mm NATO military cartridge. The name is commonly pronounced either two-two-three or two-twenty-three. It is loaded with a 0.224-inch (5.7 mm) diameter jacketed bullet, with weights ranging from 40 to 90 grains (2.6 to 5.8 g),[citation needed] though the most common loading by far is 55 grains (3.6 g).[citation needed]

While the external case dimensions are very similar, the .223 Remington and 5.56×45mm differ in both maximum pressure and chamber shape. The maximum and mean pressures for some varieties of the 5.56 (different cartridge designations have different standards) exceed the SAAMI maximum for the .223 Remington, and the methods for measuring pressures differ between NATO and SAAMI.[2] The 5.56 chamber specification has also changed since its adoption, as the current military loading (NATO SS-109 or US M855) uses longer, heavier bullets than the original loading. This has resulted in a lengthening of the throat in the 5.56 chamber. Thus, while .223 Remington ammunition can be safely fired in a rifle chambered for 5.56×45mm NATO, firing 5.56 ammunition in a .223 Remington chamber may produce pressures in excess of even the 5.56 specifications due to the shorter throat.[3]

多谢楼上几位大哥提醒....
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-21 14:34:57 | 显示全部楼层
刚在网上找到一篇文章: .223 Remington vs. 5.56 NATO: What You Don’t Know Could Hurt You

http://bearingarms.com/223-remin ... now-could-hurt-you/

多谢楼上两位兄弟提醒,5.56的子弹用在.223 rem确实有危险,受到了canammo的误导, 他们把北方5.56NATO弹放在.223目录下卖...
 楼主| 发表于 2014-12-21 15:01:31 | 显示全部楼层
刚刚读了说明书,使用的是5.56x45的子弹,没写.223REM.虽然枪身上铭文是.223 rem

希望能有用过JW-105的兄弟分享一下经验....

谢谢!
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